Comments on: Othman Empire: a dark epoch http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292 Libertas inæstimabilis res est Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:52:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Othman Empire: a dark epoch by: Swobodin http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292#comment-604 Mon, 01 May 2006 12:17:43 +0000 http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292#comment-604 Thanks Imed; yes, these facts can not compensate the generations of darkness. Kheireddin (he was Caucasian) did not succeed with the Destur and "era of serenity", since the "man with donkey's" Revolution has made everything fall. Moncef Bey has also done what he had to do, but nothing more: he did not fight with nationalists, neither officially declared resistance against France. I don't know about the Othman soldier attitude, but the decapitated Armenian woman who was taking her baby and trying to run away does... Thanks Imed; yes, these facts can not compensate the generations of darkness. Kheireddin (he was Caucasian) did not succeed with the Destur and “era of serenity”, since the “man with donkey’s” Revolution has made everything fall.
Moncef Bey has also done what he had to do, but nothing more: he did not fight with nationalists, neither officially declared resistance against France.
I don’t know about the Othman soldier attitude, but the decapitated Armenian woman who was taking her baby and trying to run away does…

]]> Comment on Othman Empire: a dark epoch by: Imed Chihi http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292#comment-599 Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:20:44 +0000 http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292#comment-599 Well, I remember my history teacher in primary school some 20 years ago describing Khaznadar as a shame to Tunisian History. Late Beys became a lot more patriotic than their savage ancestors. After all, it's Keireddine Basha who pioneered the first Constitution in the Arab World (1857, see http://www.archives.nat.tn/pdf_doc/950802.PDF), that predates the US Constitution. Ali Bash Hamba was active in the national liberation mouvement and Moncef Bey had an exemplar position in WW2 as he opposed the deportation of Tunisian Jews, opposed the pro-Nazi Vichy government and was forced and died in exile for that. Obviously, this does not cover up for centuries of barbarism and cruelty. My father used to tell me an anecdote about Turkish soldiers: "When a Turkish soldier stumbles in a rock, he would pull his pistol and shoot at it out of anger!". -Imed Well, I remember my history teacher in primary school some 20 years ago describing Khaznadar as a shame to Tunisian History. Late Beys became a lot more patriotic than their savage ancestors.

After all, it’s Keireddine Basha who pioneered the first Constitution in the Arab World (1857, see http://www.archives.nat.tn/pdf_doc/950802.PDF), that predates the US Constitution. Ali Bash Hamba was active in the national liberation mouvement and Moncef Bey had an exemplar position in WW2 as he opposed the deportation of Tunisian Jews, opposed the pro-Nazi Vichy government and was forced and died in exile for that.

Obviously, this does not cover up for centuries of barbarism and cruelty. My father used to tell me an anecdote about Turkish soldiers: “When a Turkish soldier stumbles in a rock, he would pull his pistol and shoot at it out of anger!”.

-Imed

]]> Comment on Othman Empire: a dark epoch by: swifty http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292#comment-581 Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:13:01 +0000 http://swobodin.fedora-tn.org/archives/292#comment-581 I agree with you totally Othman empire wasn't as good as historian want us to believe I agree with you totally Othman empire wasn’t as good as historian want us to believe

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